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W**Y
Good read if you are fascinated with the UFO topic
Good read if you are fascinated with the UFO topic. I only rated 4 of 5 because some of the writing is hard to follow mid-way through the book because of the multiple characters involved in the explanations. I believe the reader will enjoy the book, but will not become convinced one way or the other that the landing actually took place. You know that with this many people involved, someone had to sneak a picture of "something" with their Brownie camera as this is human nature be it saucer, alien bodies, transportation, once at military base, etc., and once again, this type of proof is lacking, especially with the alleged move from Aztek to a military base being a slow, time-consuming process. Enjoy, its worth the $.
V**Y
This book also looks like it was printed yesterday and as I opened it ...
I was lucky enough to receive a copy of the original hard copy book written for serious UFO researchers as a limited edition of one thousand copies. The information on this incident and others cased is well documented and deep. I understood that this original incident was attacked as a hoax and the author discredited. The copy I have has research discrediting the hoax with back up details with first hand names of those involved. the book looks as if it was printed yesterday.On another topic I was able to receive a first edition of the MIT UFO conference which was allowed to take place at MIT by professors attached to Harvard at the time (1992) on Alien abductions and UFO's which was held over five days. This book also looks like it was printed yesterday and as I opened it it was actually given to one of the authors Grandmother with other information as well. That book has so much information that if you are serious in the subject you would be honored to own it. I don't even know if its still available but if it is it is through third party sellers but expect to pay a hefty price which would be prohibitive for most unless your serious about the subject.The only reason I mention this book is because of the subject matter and the incredible information enclosed.
G**N
A hoax debunked
Before reading this, I'd seen a few references to the Aztec incident,but tended to jumble it together with the other UFO events that took place in New Mexico during the '40's and '50's. the Ramseys and their cowriters do an excellent job of tracing down sources and analyzing a very cold trail. They also clear the name of Silas Newton, a man who was persecuted to the end of his life for his involvement in the leak of information about the incident.
J**A
More important than Roswell
Superb, and a jewel of unbelievably well documented and researched information. This book not only specifically focuses upon the initial craft and it's crash landing upon the Aztec New Mexico mesa top in 1948, but into the massive human quagmire of Government agency's, journalists, fraud, and misinformation attempts that muddied and basterdized the true efforts of truth seekers. This event was in actuality, probably more important than the Roswell incident that preceded it. Almost every stone in this investigation seems to have been overturned, except perhaps for an explanation of the type of damage that brought down the craft in the first place. The only damage specified by witnesses all point to the quarter size hole in.one of the mirror port holes and the initially described physical damage to the biological entities within. Bullet, lightning strike, all possible. If, you only decide to read one book on this subject....You Must Read This One! 5 gold stars to you, Scott Ramsey, your wife, and the 30 plus years of magnificent research and investigation. As a former MUFON investigator, expierencer, a on going student of ufoology....I Salute you.
P**R
It Ain't Necessarily So
Lest readers get the wrong impression from the ecstatic 5-star reviews of this book, allow me to point out a few of its limitations.Although the authors complain that Aztec doubters present cherry-picked facts of the case, the authors of this book then turned around and did the same sort of cherry picking. This is not a definitive work that presents both sides to the story, so let the reader beware. A full critique of the Aztec affair and of this book would be a book in itself, but let me cite a couple of flagrant examples. These examples and much more can be found by a quick internet search.The authors go to great length to discredit deceased UFO researcher Karl Pflock, who was allowed to examine a purported handwritten autobiography of Silas Newton, in which Newton confessed that the crash was all a hoax. Lead author Scott Ramsey emphasizes a conversation with Pflock in which Pflock supposedly told Ramsey that Pflock was unable to find an example of Silas Newton's handwriting to compare to the manuscript. What Ramsey hides from the reader is that, previous to the conversation, Pflock published an account of the affair, in which he said that he in fact did have an example of Newton's handwriting, and to his inexpert eye, the autobiography seemed to be written by Silas Newton. It would be very odd for Pflock to write one thing, then later tell Scott Ramsey the opposite, on such a key point. Ramsey may have misremembered the conversation, but at the very least the authors should have noted the inconsistency in the book. But instead they chose to cherry-pick and present only the facts that favor their case.Another instance is that one of their star witnesses, Fred Reed, has also told a version of the story of what he saw in 1948 that was very different from the version he told Scott Ramsey. This should raise serious doubt about Reed's credibility, but you won't learn about Reed's shifting stories in this book.Beyond blatant cherry-picking, the book contains many factual errors. For instance, the authors make an absolute hash of the history of magnetic research in World War II. According to this book, the founders of GSI invented what is now known as the Magnetron, which, then known as the Magnetic Anomaly Detection Device (MADD), was used to detect submarines; and that the device was kept secret as least into the 1950s. But the book’s account is error jumbled upon error.In fact, the magnetron has always been known as the magnetron since its introduction by a GE scientist in 1921. The cavity magnetron, a new type of magnetron tube invented by a British scientist, was used in radar transmission during World War II, but that was different from the MADD. The MADD was invented at Gulf Research, not GSI, and did not use the magnetron tube; its key component was the fluxgate magnetometer. GSI did not invent either the magnetron or the fluxgate magnetometer/MADD, and GSI was contracted during the war only to manufacture the MADD. Inventor Gulf Research marketed the MADD/fluxgate magnetometer as an aid to oil exploration right after the war. Far from being top secret, the July 1946 issue of the journal “Geophysics” carried a detailed description and a schematic diagram of the airborne MADD/fluxgate magnetometer. None of this means that a saucer did not crash at Aztec, but it shows poor quality of research when the book presents as historic facts, things that a little fact-checking shows to be clearly and demonstrably false.The arch-villain of this book is journalist J. P. Cahn, who is portrayed as a powerful evil genius who is able to manipulate everyone - federal government, local prosecutor, newspapers, magazines, trial witnesses, trial judge, and finally the jury - into doing his bidding, in a malicious plot of revenge on Frank Scully. Cahn started out trying to write a crashed-saucer story, but wound up writing two magazine articles that led to fraud charges against Newton and GeBauer. The authors repeat again and again that an enraged Cahn cooked up the fraud charges against Newton and GeBauer to ruin Frank Scully for not cooperating with Cahn in a joint writing project. But repetition is not proof, or even evidence. Was Cahn really out to "get" Scully? The best evidence we have is Cahn's own writing, notably his September 1952 article in True. The article panned Scully’s book for its science errors (the same reaction as nearly every other reviewer), but did not express any dislike of Scully. On the contrary, the article presented Scully as a nice guy who happened to be the victim of Newton’s and GeBauer’s hoax. Cahn could easily have cast Scully in a much more negative light, but did not. Cahn’s writings do not at all appear to be the work of someone out to "get" Frank Scully.The authors likewise present no convincing evidence that the jury erred in finding Newton and GeBauer guilty of fraud. The authors merely repeatedly assert that they were not. The authors do not provide any evidence that Newton and GeBauer were top scientists, but merely repeat it, based on nothing more than Frank Scully, who believed everything they told him.The truth is that the facts pro and con were presented to a jury, which found Newton and GeBauer guilty of fraud. Ramsey, Ramsey, and Thayer complain that the jury was not allowed to hear from other investors who were not swindled, but such testimony was clearly not germane to the Flader case; it would be akin to allowing a bank robber to call as witnesses people from all the banks that he did not rob. Remember that many people also made money by investing with Bernie Madoff – does that mean that Madoff was not a crook?Newton and Scully promised to prove Cahn to be a liar in a court of law by bringing a defamation lawsuit, but then they quietly dropped their lawsuit. Why? Unlike the authors of this book, I do not claim to be able to know with certainty the secret motives of people when I have no evidence for it, but I assume that if Newton and Scully were only half as certain as the authors of The Aztec UFO Incident that they had the facts on their side, and that Cahn was a liar, that they would have pressed their defamation lawsuit to a jury trial. The fact that they dropped their lawsuit suggests that their case was weak - and that they knew it.
S**H
Must Have For UFO Library
A first class investigation. Very solid, well written by someone you feel has tremendous integrity. Ramsey successfully rehabilitates Silas Newton and Frank Scully as well bringing together testimony from first hand witnesses. I believe Ramsey creates a very strong case for a circular craft containing small dead humans. I say humans because I disagree with the ET hypothesis the author holds. The book is of high quality production.The book and Scott Ramsey are not above criticism though. Several chapters I would have put as appendices, including the movement of a saucer study. I also get tired of Ufologists paying homage to Stanton Friedman as though he was some sort of saucer deity. Did I say Stanton Friedman, I do apologise, I should have said NUCLEAR PHYSICIST Stanton Friedman !(Simon Smith - author of "Fake Aliens And The Phony Nuke World Order")
C**C
Outstanding research !
This book is based on extensive research and information and the conclusion is very logical and credible . UFO’s do exist and are a reality that is kept secret from ordinary people and this is unfair. The world deserves to know . Human beings can handle the truth. Again, the work done here to discover the truth is commendable . Someone , somewhere has a reason for keeping the human beings on our planet in the dark. It is definitely a control issue.
J**Y
A Quality Saucer Investigation
I would recommend this book to anybody who has more than a passing interest in the UFO phenomenon. The authors have made painstaking research over many years to verify the truth of this over extraordinary incident. They leave the reader with little or no doubt about the veracity of the reports that came out of Hart Canyon in the late 1940's.Thanks and congratulations to the Authors for an amazing piece of investigative work.
A**R
Good book
This book really get's into ALL the details, recommended for avid UFOoligists. When the Authors say they spent 30 years researching and fact checking they really do mean it.
L**N
Diligent and illuminating
A very solid piece of investigate ufology, which finally raises the discussion of this incident to its proper level. Their work of almost 30 years has patiently dismantled all the debunking around the subject, and offers important insights into how agenda-driven and ill-supported debunking can be.
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