Korea Kimchi Exclusive. Theatrical, Special, and Extended Editions. English 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
H**R
WARNING! Theatrical Version is NOT on DVD and EXTRAS different from amazon page!
I ordered this 2-disc DVD, for Terminator 2: Judgment Day , because I was replacing our old VHS. According to this amazon page, this 2-disc set has the Theatrical release and the Special Edition Version of T2, both in widescreen. The 2-DVD set I received had only the Special Edition Version on DVD. The 2nd disc has the Theatrical Release, but it is NOT a DVD. It is to watch on your computer using some fancy application that I don't have. So it didn't work on my computer. I returned the DVD because I thought they sent me the wrong one.[Please note the version of Terminator 2 that I linked above. Amazon has a bad habit of putting a review for one edition/version of a movie on every page of every version/edition. It can be difficult to figure out which version someone is reviewing!]After I sent back the wrong version of the movie, I ordered it a second time, again from this page (as linked above). The second time I received the SAME thing. So WARNING! You cannot watch the Theatrical release on DVD. And the EXTRAS shown on this amazon page are different from the extras actually contained on the 2-disc set they'll send you.That said, I decided to keep the second set, even though I tried to contact the seller, through amazon's contact seller feature, twice to ask what's going on, and they never bothered to reply. Beware of Mighty Silver! There is no customer service there, and they don't care if you got the wrong item. Incidentally, amazon doesn't care, either. They'll give you your money back, but they're not changing the page.Now that my rant is over, I'll review the 2-disc set I received - twice.The first DVD disc has the Special Edition Version of the movie. Your viewing choices are to watch in Dolby 5.1 SurroundSound, Dolby Headphones. You can also watch it with a fantastic Commentary Track, and with either English or Spanish Subtitles.The differences between the Special Edition and the Theatrical Release are that several deleted scenes are added back in. To tell the truth, I like the Theatrical Version better, but maybe that's just because it's a beloved movie in our house.Added scenes that I noticed:1. The T-1000 leaves the scene of the wreckage of the giant tow-truck he used to chase after T (Arnold's Terminator) and John on the motorcycle. New: Firemen are cleaning up the wreckage.2. In the psychiatric hospital, Sarah is sitting on her bed in her cell. New: Sarah has a dream sequence with Reece seemingly visiting her. (According to the Commentary Track, the idea was to tell some past story from the 1st movie. I think it's open to interpretation whether she had a vision or a dream.)3. In the psychiatric hospital, the doctor has just stopped at Sarah's cell, where she's doing pullups, and he's talking about her with his guests. New: Two guards enter Sarah's room and use truncheons and tazers on her to get her to take her pills. It's a brutal scene.4. T and John have called the foster parents' house, and realize they must be dead. Cut to the T-1000, changing back to a policeman from the shape of the foster-mother (skewering the foster father). New: T-1000 goes into the back yard and kills the dog. He takes it's collar, and sees the name "Max". He realizes T and John tricked him.5. They have pulled the police car into a closed service station, where T and Sarah sew each other up. New: John asks T if he can learn. T says that he can if they pull a switch in his microprocessor. Sarah opens his head and takes out the chip and is going to destroy it. John stops her. (According to the Commentary, this was deleted for timing reasons, but both Cameron and Wisher really miss it. They love how it shows Sarah's mistrust and confliction with T.)6. T busts the window of an old station wagon to steal it, then they are on the side of a road and Sarah is eating a sandwich in the station wagon. New: In between these two scenes, John takes T to get food at a food trailer and tries to teach him how to smile.7. Traveling South in the station wagon, Sarah asks T about Dyson, and T replies that he has extensive files on him. New: Scene changes to Dyson working at his computers at his gorgeous seaside home. His wife wants him to stop for some family time, but he is too excited, working on a revolutionary microprocessor.8. They stop at Enrique's in the desert to weapon up. New: Sarah tells Enrique they should leave tonight, too, and he responds angrily. In the underground weapons locker that John and T opened, there's a longer conversation between the two.9. In the final scene at the iron works, the T-1000 has just reconstituted himself after the liquid nitrogen freezing. New: As he passes a striped steel barrier to enter the building, he puts his hand on the barrier and his hand and arm turn striped and stick to the bar. (Per the Commentary, this had been the first thing to show that he had been "injured" and wasn't working quite right.)COMMENTARY TRACK: I thought this was one of the best commentary tracks I've ever listened to, and I've listened to a lot! It was recorded on 2/10/2003 with commenters James Cameron, director and co-writer, and William Wisher, co-writer. This was the first time Cameron had recorded a commentary track for one of his films. They cover everything, from special effects to acting to subtext. Two of my favorite comments:At the very beginning, when the T-1000 comes through from the future and is kneeling naked, Cameron comments: "We did digital winky removal here. Apparently it was not complete ... I remember seeing a bill for digital willy removal. I want that money back!"When someone asks, who is your favorite kick-a$^% female character, my answer is always Linda Hamilton in T2. She is not comic-book and special effects, she is the real thing. In the commentary, Cameron says that Linda didn't just work out, she did weapons training. And, "Linda could really run. Like a panther."Also, at the beginning, Cameron mentions how when he first approached Arnold Schwarzenegger about T2, Arnold wasn't enthusiatic. He "wasn't at all sure" that it was going to work for him to play the good guy.DISC 2:1. "No Feat But What We Make". This is a 24 minute short on Terminator 2's "role in the rise of digital special effects". Comments by James Cameron (T2 writer-director and director of "The Abyss"), Dennis Muren (ILM visual effects supervisor), John Knoll (ILM CG supervisor for "The Abyss" and Co-Creator of Adobe Photoshop), Steve Spaz Williams (ILM animation), Mark A.Z. Dippe' (ILM CG Supervisor), Stan Winston (Special Makeup and Terminator effects), Peter Jackson (director "The Lord of the Rings"). Cameron and Knoll talk about how the water alien psuedopod, in "Abyss", was a leap of trust in CGI, because nothing like that had ever been done in film. Then, in T2, what Cameron had was a $100 million dollar film dependent on CG, when it had been done only once before in a film and then for only one 9-minute sequence.2. "T2: On the Set", an 8 minute production shot montage. Interesting stuff, like the model shots of the tank truck, carrying liquid nitrogen, sliding down the street.3. "High Definition - Theatrical Version ROM". "This disc contains the complete theatrical version of the film in Microsoft Windows Media 9 series, payable in high definition and 5.1 sound exclusively on your PC. The resolution is higher than standard DVD format." Didn't work on my computer.4. DVD ROM. "Play this DVD in your computer to access the T2FX Studio and other ROM features powered by Interactual Software." Didn't work on my computer.ZERO stars for an amazon page that gives false information.ZERO stars for Mighty Silver, incapable of fulfilling your order from the amazon page.FIVE stars for the theatrical release, now if I could just get a DVD of it.FOUR POINT FOUR stars, rounded down to FOUR, for the Special Edition Version of T2 - it's not as tightly constructed as the theatrical release.ADDED LATER:I did get a single-disc DVD of the theatrical release. I don't think I can give you a link to the amazon page, because it is not fulfilled by amazon. Rather you order from individual sellers and pay shipping. However, I got it for $2.99 plus shipping!Unfortunately, I can't review that DVD and it's extras, because amazon put my review of the 2-disc extended version on the page of the single disc theatrical release. I wish they would stop doing that.Happy Reader
J**Y
Mind blowing picture quality
I can't say enough about Blu Ray! I thought the ultimate edition DVD was good, but this is even better. The high definition sound is as much a feast for the ears as the picture is a feast for the eyes.Of interest to movie buffs -- this disc includes both the original theatrical cut as well as the directors cut.The featurettes include a showtime special about the scenes that had to be cut before being restored to the directors cut. I remember seeing the special on TV and wishing I could get that DVD.Of special interest to movie buffs -- a documentary entitled No Feat But What We Make, about how Terminator 2 was the first movie to use CGI effects on a large scale, through the entire film.And then, one cannot deny the best part of the whole movie -- "Hasta la vista, baby."
W**E
3D movie
I bought this from Amazon Japan.Been wanting T2 on 3D blu ray for a long time but just couldn’t find one that would play on American blu ray players. Saw this posted on Facebook and the buyer said it played fantastic on American players so I ordered it. It looks and sounds amazing and Terminator 2 is fantastic in 3D.
H**!
Terminator reborn...
Just like the original "Terminator," I can't imagine anyone reading this review, or looking at the Amazon entry and thinking about buying the film in it's "Ultimate Edition" DVD version, and not actually knowing what the film is about. The original "Terminator" became an icon; it entered our collective memories - "I'll be back!" - became a cultural phenomenon, a cinematic urban legend with a life all it's own, and "T2" is the next step in its evolution.And `evolution' is a good way of looking at it. "T2" is not some cheesy installment in a bloated cinematic franchise, designed to generate mega-$'s for all concerned, while shortchanging the viewer with a bland or worthless story line, cardboard FX, and Z-list performances. No, "T2" is a legitimate continuation of the original "Terminator," creating more of the backstory and mythology of the "Terminator" universe, and taking us closer to the day when Skynet achieves consciousness and decides to wage its war of global extermination against Mankind. In fact, the genesis of the "T2" story can be seen in one of the deleted scenes contained on the "Terminator, Special Edition" disc; Sarah Connor, tired of being hunted, decides to take the fight to Skynet's creator, the Cyberdyne Corporation, which, as shown in yet another deleted scene, is where the climactic fight against the original terminator took place!And this, literally, is the key to "T2." When the original terminator was crushed in the press, the company salvaged its CPU/chip, damaged and inoperable, plus one arm. It's the research done on the CPU that leads to the computing breakthrough that leads to the creation of Skynet, which created the terminators in the first place! And just as Skynet sent a terminator back through time to ensure John Connor couldn't interfere with its plans, Sarah Connor attempts to stop the creation of Skynet itself in the present... you see where this is going? There're probably a couple of pretty nasty time-travel paradoxes involved in all of this - maybe we should ask Dr Who! - but it doesn't matter, the story carries you effortlessly along and doesn't let you start going `round and `round in those kinds of ever diminishing circles!The basic set-up is as follows, having failed in killing Sarah Connor in the original "Terminator," Skynet dispatches yet another terminator, a state of the art T-1000, this time to kill John Connor while he's a young teenager. And just as before, the adult John Connor dispatches a guardian, in the shape of an old T-800 terminator, reprogrammed to protect him at all costs.And it's the difference between the two terminators that is one of the main joys of the film. The T-1000 is a shape-shifting "liquid metal" creation, able to morph into almost any guise it needs, as long as the end result is the same basic size, or volume, as itself. This basic characteristic is one of the elements that delayed the making of "T2." James Cameron had the idea for the "shape shifter" when making the original "Terminator," but it took the intervening years for cinematic CGI FX to catch up with Cameron's imagination, so the T-1000 could be portrayed convincingly on-screen!Robert Patrick plays the "human" T-1000, and his performance is as different from the original terminator as is the technology he represents. "Ahnald's" original performance set the standard, relentless and robotic, unstoppable, like a semi spinning out of control on an ice covered freeway; get out of the way or be obliterated. Robert Patrick gives a more subtle, more nuanced, performance; he's smaller, sleeker, faster, his is the relentlessness of a shark moving in for the kill, a thing of terrible beauty that cannot be swayed or negotiated with. But the T-1000 also knows something of human frailty, of pain, and how to use it to its advantage. Whereas the original terminator simply slaughtered anything that got in its way, the T-1000 actually tortures Sarah Connor in one scene in an effort to make her give up her son, telling her, "I know this must hurt...""Ahnald's" performance, as the old-tech T-800 model terminator, is also more varied, and this is explained in, what I think is, the most important scene deleted from the original theatrical release, but reinstated in this "Ultimate Edition." Sarah, having been broken out of an asylum by her son and his newest bestest buddy - his very own terminator! - is holed up in a disused gas station with John and the Terminator. The T-800 explains, while Sarah digs bullets out of its back, that it's possible for the terminators to learn, to adapt to their environments, but a switch on the CPU has to be reset to allow this behavior; the default setting is the unstoppable hunter killer, with no need of subtlety. But here's the catch, to make the change, which will allow the Terminator to better protect John, the CPU has to be removed, effectively shutting down the Terminator, then reset and reinstalled. The CPU is removed, but Sarah tries to destroy it, saying it'll be one less terminator, and John, exerting his authority for the first time, convinces his mother that they need the Terminator if they are to survive, and more importantly, stop the creation of Skynet. From here on in, the film roars to its finale as Sarah takes the fight to Cyberdyne by, literally, zeroing in on Dr Miles Dyson, the scientist who obsessively cracks the secret of the original terminator CPU."T2" lacks the sheer visceral punch of the original; it's a more refined, mature, and carefully thought out film, but that's no criticism, the set pieces will blow you away, and the CGI, absolutely state of the art at the time, STILL stands up today. This is controlled action and mayhem for grown-ups, and "Ahnald" was true to his word when he said, "I'll be back!"
J**D
One Star
No good had to get refund didn't work
S**N
ok
ok
T**S
Pretty disappointing release as mentioned by others
You get two discs, one with the 4k Theatrical version on it only and no special features.A standard Blu-ray containing the special edition and extended ending one. They're both the newly colour graded version with the extra scenes from the old Blu-ray spliced in. Not good. If they couldn't be bothered to colour grade the extra scenes i would've preferred if they did the same with the 4K disc version.The 4k disc is a mixed bag really. The new colour grade is nice and at times the film looks rather good. But most of the time it feels very soft and pastel like in picture clarity. Obviously DNR was used (i suspect because of the 3D conversion). And its not very good for the most part.A real shame because this film is still one of the best films ever made to this day. It deserves better treatment than this. Maybe one day we will get the version that it deserves.
A**)
Soweit ok, doch - ACHTUNG - Verschlimmbesserungs-Effekt ! Vor allem beim Ton !
Ein Meilenstein der 90er Jahre. Mit immer noch spektakulären Effekten, welche einen damals zum Staunen brachten („Mein Gott, wie habe die das nur gemacht?“).Mit einer Soundkulisse, die damals ebenso ihrer Zeit voraus war und in einer Zeit wo es noch kein 5.1 Surround und die ganzen Nachfolger gab. Aber da gehe ich gleich nochmal im Detail drauf ein, denn der Ton dieser re-remasterten Version von T2 ist in meinen Augen der größte Schwachpunkt.Wie mit „Aliens-Die Rückkehr“ (1986) schaffte es James Cameron wieder mal mit T2 (1991) eine Fortsetzung zu schaffen die das Original noch übertrifft oder zumindest ebenbürtig ist.Trotz der bahnbrechenden CGI-Morph-Effekte gab es immer noch genug real gedrehte Actionszenen und die Charaktere gerieten trotzdem nicht ins Hintertreffen.Ganz anders heute, wo man beim Anschauen der mit Computereffekten vollgepumpten Superheldenfilme das Staunen vollkommen verlernt hat.Auch den brandneuen „T6-Dark Fate“ nehme ich hier nicht aus, denn dieser letzte Terminator-Wurf negiert so ziemlich alles was ich gerade an T2 so positiv hervorgehoben habe. (Da fand ich die selbst Handlung in T5-Genesis zwar etwas wirr aber immer noch origineller als die in „Dark Fate“, aber das wird Thema in einer anderen Beurteilung werden).Nun endlich zu dieser Fassung von Terminator 2 – Tag der Abrechnung.Im Prinzip muss ich sagen, lohnt sich die Fassung für jeden der die vorherigen Versionen noch nicht hat.Hier kann er zum günstigen Preis alle drei Filmfassungen auf einer einzigen Blu-ray erwerben. Die Kinoversion von 1991 (137min.), der Director's Cut oder Special Edition von 1993 (153min.) damals nur als US Laserdisc erhältlich), und den Extendet Cut mit der maximalen Länge von 156min. Letztere ist aber nur das „hidden Feature“ der US DVD mit dem alternativen Ende und einer zusätzlichen Durchsuchungszene des T1000. Keine Ahnung warum man bei Letzterer an den Übergängen bereits die deutschen Dialoge durch Untertitel ersetzen musste.Als Bonus gibt es eine gut 50 Minuten lange untertitelte Retrodoku, welche jetzt nicht so viel Neues bietet, außer das man die Darsteller mal sieht wie sie heute aussehen (vor allem Edward Furlong). Und dann gibt’s noch ein paar Trailer.Außerdem 2 Audiokommentare, - einer übernommen von der THX Laserdisc von 1993.Soweit ok alles.Aber jetzt komme ich zu denen, - und das sind bestimmt nicht wenige, die schon die ein oder andere DVD, und Laserdisc-Fassung zuhause im Regal stehen haben……den Hardcore-Fans.…wer hier unbedingt ein Top HD-Bild haben möchte, der kommt wohl kaum an dieser Fassung vorbei, denn das ist Top.Der Film wurde für die 3D Version neu abgetastet und kleine Fehler wurden digital retuschiert (kleine P.-Zensur beim ersten nackten Erscheinen des T1000, entfernte Kameraautos, korrigierte Windschutzscheibe wegen Anschlussfehler). Es ist nicht so krass wie es George Lucas bei seiner alten Starwars-Trilogie gemacht hat, aber ich bewerte dieser Korrekturen von Fehlern als schon etwas zu weit gehend, zumal mir das alles fast nicht aufgefallen ist.Wo ich aber wirklich ein Problem mit habe, ist der Re-remasterte Ton !Zur Info: Der Film lief 1991 als einer der weltersten Filme mit echten 5.1 CDS-Surroundsound in ganz wenigen amerikanischen Kinos.CDS war ein von Kodak eingeführtes Surroundverfahren (1990 Final Approach) wobei der analoge Lichtton gegen eine digitale Tonspur im Filmmaterial ersetzt wurde. Folglich gab es 35mm und einige ganze wenige 70mm Kopien. Nachteil war, dass bei Ausfall des Tons im Kino auf einmal Stille herrschte.Dieser Fehler wurde dann von Dolby Lab. 1992 (Batmans Rückkehr) behoben, die es schafften das selbige 5.1-Kanalformat als zweite Spur zwischen den Perforationslöchern im Film unterzubringen. So gab es immer eine analoge Alternative.Aber selbst der deutsch analoge Dolby Stereo Sound konnte Anfang der 90er Jahre mit T2 in entsprechenden Kinos überzeugen. Nie werde ich vergessen wie der Anfangsszene Metallfuß auf den Totenschädel krachte oder den Sound über alle Boxen als der Hubschrauber unter der Brücke her flog.Damals hatte ich den Film erst als kopiertes Videothek-VHS, - später dann die deutsche Laserdisc (die ich auch heute noch besitze). Dann kam 1993 die oben erwähnte THX DeLuxe Version aus den USA mit der Special Edition dazu.Der analoge Surround Sound klang nochmals feiner.Nun ja, die Zeiten ändern sich und im Jahr 2000 gab es die selbe Fassung der US Laserdisc mit den überbordenden Bonusmaterial auch als US Ländercode 1 DVD in einem Metallschuber.Ich weiß nicht genau wann, aber es dauerte bestimmt 5 Jahre ehe diese Fassung dann auch in „deutsch“ mit fast identischen Extras inklusive des aufwändigen Menüs erhältlich war.Bei diesen DVDs wurde der Ton dann erstmals in 5.1 Surround gemastert, bzw. gab es schon einen Kanal mehr. Ein dritter Surround (hinten Mitte).Auf jeden Fall für meine Ohren, ob deutsch oder englisch spielt keine Rolle, - klingen diese Neuabmischungen bis heute am besten. Der neue Zentrum-Surroundkanal, den die beiden neueren Tonformate Dolby 5.1 EX und DTS-ES 6.1 bieten, wird bei T2 zwar nicht wirklich genutzt sondern bleibt im Hintergrund und ergänzt nur die bereits bestehende Surroundkulisse.So sollte es auch sein. Der Ton wurde damals mit 2 Oscars für den besten Tonschnitt und Mischung ausgezeichnet.Der T2 Sound klingt auch heute noch immer perfekt.Von dieser Mischung sollte man eigentlich die Finger lassen und ihn einfach 1 zu 1 von der DVD auf die Blu-ray übertragen.Weiß nicht warum, aber das ist bei dieser vorliegenden Fassung nicht passiert.Irgendwie wollte man bei der Übertragung nach DTS HD Master Audio 7.1 noch eins drauf setzten und so klingen die ganzen Effekte noch übertriebener als sie ohnehin schon abgemischt waren.Ein Freund von mir, der sich diese Blu-ray-Fassung mit mir angesehen hatte meinte das die Pumpgun von „Arnold“ jetzt so klingt als hätte man sie in einen großen leeren Raum abgefeuert.Also unterm Strich klingt der ganze Sound jetzt einfach zu übertrieben bzw. zu hallig.Wir haben dann die alte deutsche DVD nochmal zum Vergleich eingelegt und siehe da, der Ton wirkte sofort viel knackiger und trockener aber genauso heftig.Vielleicht jammere ich hier wieder auf hohem Niveau, aber ich denke Hardcorefans, die vielleicht auch jeden Toneffekt in und auswendig kennen werden verstehen wenn ich dann lieber auf ein HD-Bild verzichte. Außerdem sieht Arnies Makeup in Full HD auch schon eine Spur zu sehr nach Makeup aus.Man kann sagen „Weniger ist Mehr !“Und bei den Extras, da kann sowieso keine neue Version dieser Welt dem alten Bonusmaterial der ersten Laserdiscs und DVD – Special-Editions das Wasser reichen.Da ist wirklich jeder einzelne Schritt von der ersten Idee über die Effekte, Sound, bis hin zur Auslieferung an die Kinos alles drauf was man sich vor, oder nicht vorstellen kann.Also zum Schluss noch einmal: Der Otto Normalverbraucher mit Durchschnitts-TV Sound oder Durchschnitts Heimkino-Anlagen kann zugreifen, aber T2-Hardcorefans und Puristen sollten auch bei diesem Tiefpreis trotzdem ihre Entscheidung nochmal überdenken.
M**R
Still a great film with some very good but somewhat inconsistent 3D.
This 25 year old Classic is one of the best Action movies of the 90's and one of my favourite films of all time so buying the re-mastered 3D version was a no brainer.The opening scenes are very encouraging with some excellent 3D that adds a great deal of depth to the images. Good too are the scenes when the terminators arrive. Its as if 3D was in mind when the shots were conceived and shot at ground level. Unfortunately though the 3D seems to be reigned back quite a bit as the movie progresses and at times the images are almost entirely flat so that you feel as if you ware watching the original 2D release now and again. I took my 3D glasses off during the steel mill sequences when I felt that 3D was lacking and there was very little blur across most of the frame, a sure sign that the 3D was heavily reigned back.Its difficult to turn an old 2D movie into a 3D one as this release shows. When the 3D is good, its very good, its just a pity it is a bit patchy and inconsistent.That said its still a very good release with sound quality and image quality improvements that make it a very worthwhile buy.
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